2005 Honda Odyssey

PAX TIRES FALL APART AND THE DEALER DID NOT SERVICE THEM WELL. TREAD FAILURE 1 TO 2 INCHES OF RUBBER FELL OFF, DOWN TO THREADS. DEALER CLAIMED THAT RUNNING INTO A CURB COULD CAUSE THIS TO HAPPEN. TIRES FAILED BEFORE 30 THOUSAND MILES. COST APPROXIMATELY $100 MORE THAN NORMAL TIRES. HONDA PROVIDED NO OTHER OPTIONS TO TIRE PROBLEM, MONOPOLY ON THE MANUFACTURER OF TIRE, MICHELIN. MONOPOLY ON SERVICE TO VEHICLE WHERE LITTLE OTHER DEPENDENTS ARE AVAILABLE TO REPLACE TIRE. DISCOUNT TIRE IS THE ONLY OTHER PROVIDER. HONDA DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ANY OTHER OPTIONAL TIRES FOR USE ON THEIR ODYSSEY. DISCOUNT TIRE PROPOSES A REPLACEMENT WITH A 18 INCH Z RATED TIRE THAT MIGHT LEAVE VEHICLE WITH A DASH WARNING THAT CANT BE TURNED OFF OR DISARMED. TIRE PRESSURE SYSTEM ALSO IS NOT ACCURATE OR RELIABLE. NO RESTFULLY OPTIONS BY OWNER. WEATHER CHANGES SET OFF THE TIRE PRESSURE ALARM THAT CAN ONLY BE RESET BY DEALER. ONE OF THE PAX FEATURES WAS TO REPLACE A SPARE BECAUSE OF WEIGHT. A PAX TIRE IS 25 LBS MORE PER TIRE THAN A NORMAL TIRE THUS NULLIFYING ANY BENEFITS. COST IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE PER TIRE AND RELIABILITY IS LESS. SERVICE ABILITY IS LESS. A DEALER THIS LAST TIME WAS UNABLE TO BREAK THE BEAD ON THE TIRE. THE TIRE BEFORE THAT THEY HAD TO REPLACE TIRE AND RIM 2 TO 3 WEEKS TO GET IT DONE. THIS TIME TWO WEEKS HAS PAST AND THE SERVICE NOT DONE FAILED DUE TO MECHANICAL FAILURE ON THERE NEW $30K000 TIRE MACHINE. *AK

WELL, THE PAX TIRES THAT ARE ON MY 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY ARE JUNK. FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE TAKEN OUT A SMALL LOAN TO REPLACE 2 OF THE TIRES AND I DO A LOT OF HIGHWAY DRIVING. THE VEHICLE IS UNDER REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND I KEEP IT IN EXCELLENT SHAPE. THIS IS WHY I WAS SO SHOCKED TO HEAR I NEEDED NEW TIRES IN 1/2 THE TIME A NORMAL SET OF TIRES WOULD BE NEEDED. IT IS SHOCKING BUT I WAS TOLD THIS IS THE PRICE FOR SECURITY. HMMM, I THOUGHT THAT IS WHY I WAS SOLD THE ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE AND THE EXTENDED WARRANTY AND ETC. WELL FROM WHAT I CAN TELL SOME ONE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE TIRES. EITHER INCREASE THE QUALITY OF THE RUBBER, OR RECALL THEM AND GIVE USED REGULAR TIRES AND RIMS. THEY ARE JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE. TO ADD TO THIS MY VEHICLE HAS A SHAKE IN IT AND THE SHOP IS NOT SURE BUT THINK I NEED TO REPLACE THE OTHER TWO TIRE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. BUT I WAS TOLD NO PROMISES THAT WILL FIX THE SHAKE. THE SHAKE WAS NOT THERE UNTIL THE NEW TIRES WERE PUT ON THE VEHICLE. *TR

WE HAVE A 2005 HONDA ODESSY,WITH PAX TIRE SYSTEM. TIRES FAILED AT APPROXIMATELY 25000 MILES. NEITHER MICHELIN NOR HONDA HAVE DONE ANYTHING. I WAS ASKED DID I DRIVE THE CAR UP AND DOWN HILLS? AT THE TIME THE CAR WAS HYDRO PLANING SO BADLY WE FELT UNSAFE. WE HAVE HAD TO BUY NEW WHEELS ,AND TIRESE AND SENSORS OR GET OUT OF THIS WORTHLESS SET OF TIRES. I WOULD NEVER BUY A VEHICLE WITH THIS ON. ALL WE GOT ARE BILLS AND LIES. *AK

PURCHASE 05 HONDA ODYSSEY IN OCT 04. PAX TIRE WAS REPLACED UNDER WARRANTY IN NOV 04. IN MAY 2006 I WAS TOLD TIRES WORN AND NEED REPLACING AND IT IS NOT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY. MY CAR IS SERVICED AT HONDA DEALER AS RECOMMENDED. I DIDN'T REPLACE TIRES AT TIME, BUT GOT A FLAT WHILE ON VACATION AND HAD IT REPLACED. NOW MARCH 14, 30,000 MAINTENANCE I'M TOLD THREE TIRES NEED REPLACING. *JB

SINCE I BOUGHT MY VAN, I HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT TROUBLE WITH THE PAX TIRE SYSTEM. I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HONDA. THE REPUTATION THAT HELD IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES GROWING UP INTO ADULTHOOD NOW HAVE BEEN SHATTERED. I HAVE HAD NO SUPPORT THROUGH MY LOCAL DEALER NOR HONDA HEADQUARTERS. I AM STILL EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS WITH THE STEERING EVEN AFTER REPLACING ALL 4 TIRES AT MY OWN EXPENSE. IT IS A DISGUSTING THAT HONDA IS SELLING CARS THEY CANNOT FIX. I AM TOTALLY FED UP WITH THE SITUATION WITH MY CAR AND FEEL HOPELESS FOR ITS FUTURE. PLEASE HELP! I HAVE TOLD EVERYONE I KNOW TO STAY AWAY FROM HONDA AND ESPECIALLY THE TOURING MODEL! *JB

WE OWN A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY EQUIPPED WITH THE MICHELIN PAX TIRE SYSTEM. WE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING TO THE DEALER'S SERVICE DEPT. ABOUT THE ODD WEAR (EDGES WORN OUT WHILE THE CENTER OF THE TREAD LOOKS FINE, AND SO FAR THEY HAVE CHARGED US FOR AN ALIGNMENT (THEY SAID THEY COULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER CHECKING INTO IT UNTIL WE PAID FOR THIS, AND THEN LATER TOLD US THIS WAS A COMMON COMPLAINT WITH THE PAX SYSTEM TIRES, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE A FEW BUCKS OFF OF US, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER MATTER). THE VEHICLE HAS TPMS, SO WE KNOW TIRE PRESSURE IS NOT A FACTOR (AT LEAST IF FOLLOWING HONDA'S RECOMMENDATIONS IS ASSUMED TO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE WEAR). WE DO NOT DRIVE THE VEHICLE AGGRESSIVELY (IT IS A MINIVAN, AND CARRIES OUR 2 YOUNG CHILDREN, WITH MY WIFE BEING THE PRIMARY DRIVER, SO THE ODDS OF ANYONE WITH THIS COMPLAINT ON THE ODYSSEY ARE THAT THEY DRIVE VERY CONSERVATIVELY). THE DEALER HAS TOLD US FOR APPROX 10000 MILES (HALF THE TOTAL MILEAGE DRIVEN TO THIS POINT) THAT THE WEAR IS NOT ABNORMAL, BUT NOW WE CAN NOT LONGER DRIVE THE VAN IN INCLEMENT WEATHER SINCE THE LAST 1/5 OF BOTH SIDES OF THE TIRES HAVE WORN TO THE POINT OF NOT HAVING ANY WATER SIPES LEFT TO PREVENT HYDROPLANING IN RAINY CONDITIONS. THE DEALERS SERVICE DEPT HAS REVEALED THAT THEY HAVE HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THESE TIRES, BUT MICHELIN IN THEIR TYPICALLY "HOLIER THAN THOUGH" MANNER OF NEVER MAKING A BAD PRODUCT (THIS WORDS FROM THE DEALER REP) HAS STONE WALLED ATTEMPTS AT GETTING THEM TO ADMIT FAULT WITH THE DESIGN OR MANUFACTURE OF THE PRODUCT. FURTHERMORE, THEY HAVE A MONOPOLY ON THE PRODUCT'S REPLACEMENT, LEAVING CUSTOMERS NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY A KING'S RANSOM FOR ANOTHER SET OF THESE TIRES WE DO NOT WANT. WE ARE FILING A COMPLAINT, AND SEEKING ANY INFO ON JOINING A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST MICHELIN AND HONDA OF AMERICA FOR SELLING A PATENTLY DANGEROUS PRODUCT TO A CONSUMER GROUP WHO PURCHASED A PRODUCT WITH SAFETY BEING A MAJOR FACTOR IN THE PURCHASE DECISION. *NM

I OWN A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY TOURING WITH MICHELIN PAX RUN FLAT TIRES. I WAS RECENTLY INFORMED BY HONDA SERVICE THAT MY TIRES NEEDED TO BE REPLACED (WERE WORN TO 4/32NDS) AT ONLY 17K MILES AND AT A COST OF $300+ PER TIRE. ADDITIONALLY, EVEN TO PATCH THE TIRE WITH A SMALL NAIL PUNCTURE WOULD COST $90+. I FEEL THAT THE PREMATURE WEAR ON THESE TIRES IS A DEFECT AND THE OWNERS OF THIS VEHICLE ARE BEING FACED WITH FREQUENT AND COSTLY REPLACEMENT OF THESE DEFECTIVE TIRES AND/OR SAFETY ISSUES WITH WORN TIRES. *JB

PREMATURE TIRE WEAR. HONDA ODYSSEY TOURING HAS MICHELIN PAX TIRE SYSTEM DESIGNATED AS A HIGH-END PREMIUM FEATURE SAFETY SYSTEM. THESE TIRES WEAR OUT IN 23000 MILES, WHICH IS WELL BELOW STANDARD TIRES OFFERED ON OTHER HONDA ODYSSEY PACKAGES. IN ADDITION, THE PAX SYSTEM IS A PROPRIETARY DESIGN OFFERED ONLY BY ONE TIRE MANUFACTURER, IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH STANDARD WHEELS, AND REQUIRES DEALER/TIRE SERVICE GARAGES TO HAVE UNIQUE EXPENSIVE MOUNTING EQUIPMENT. FEW TIRE DEALERS SUPPORT PAX. EXAMPLE: ONLY ONE DEALER IN SAN DIEGO SUPPORTS PAX. FOR TRAVELERS ON THE ROAD WHO EXPERIENCE A FAILURE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE TO LOCATE A NEAR BY REPLACEMENT. THE ODYSSEY TOURING DOES NOT COME WITH A SPARE TIRE, SO THE MAX RUN-FLAT DISTANCE OF 100 MI MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO REACH TIRE STORE. THE HONDA SALES REPRESENTATIVES DO NOT OFFER ANY OF THIS INFORMATION TO PROSPECTIVE CUSTOMERS AT THE TIME OF SALE. THE HONDA ODYSSEY TOUR MODEL CAN NOT BE RETROFITTED WITH STANDARD TIRES DUE TO VEHICLE'S COMPUTER SYSTEM SETTINGS. *NM

WHEN PURCHASED NEW OFF THE LOT, EXPERIENCED SUBSTANTIAL PULL TO THE RIGHT. DROVE 500 MILES AND RETURNED TO DEALER FOR SERVICE. WAS TOLD THEY NEEDED TO INSTALL CAMBER BOLTS THEN ALIGN SUSPENSION (THEY REDUCED TIRE PRESSURE IN ALL FOUR TIRES BY TEN POUNDS). PROBLEM WAS NOT ABATED. AFTER 5000 ROAD TRIP, RETURNED TO DEALER TO ALIGN AGAIN(AGAIN REDUCING TIRE PRESSURE). SIX MONTHS LATER WAS STILL EXPERIENCING PULL, BUT NOW ACCOMPANIED BY PROGRESSIVELY WORSENING VIBRATION. DEALER ROTATED AND CROSS SWITCHED TIRES (ONCE AGAIN REDUCING TIRE PRESSURE). PROBLEM SEEMED SOLVED. MIDWAY THOUGH NEXT 5000 MILE ROAD TRIP VIBRATION AND PULL STARTED TO RECUR, GROWING PROGRESSIVELY WORSE AS TRIP WAS CONCLUDED. NOW AT 26000 MILES BOTH FRONT TIRES HAVE SUBSTANTIAL WEAR AND NEED TO BE REPLACED AND THE CAR ONCE MORE NEEDS TO BE ALIGNED. *JB