2005 Honda Odyssey

ODYSSEY HAD GREAT VIBRATION THROUGH STEERING WHEEL AND THROUGH BODY OF CAR. VIBRATION VARIED DEPENDING ON SPEED. THIS COULD OF CAUSED A TRAGIC ACCIDENT. DIAGNOSIS WAS FAILURE OF REAR AND SIDE MOTOR MOUNTS FOR THE SECOND TIME IN 20 MONTHS. POOR DESIGN OF THESE MOUNTS FAIL PREMATURELY AND CAUSE VIBRATION AND HANDLING ERRORS WHICH COULD HAVE TRAGIC CONSEQUENCES.

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT TOOK HIS VEHICLE TO THE DEALER TO BE REPAIRED WHERE HE WAS INFORMED THAT HIS ENGINE MOUNTS WERE CRACKED AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE MANUFACTURER ADVISED THE CONTACT THAT SINCE THE ENGINE MOUNTS WERE MADE OF RUBBER THAT THE WEAR AND TEAR WAS NORMAL. A COMPLAINT WAS REGISTERED WITH THE MANUFACTURER. NO REPAIRS WERE PERFORMED. THE CURRENT AND FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 54,000. UPDATED 04/07/11 *BF UPDATED 1/13/2012 *LN *TR

FORWARDED FROM CPSC - LETTER FROM CONGRESSMAN ON BEHALF OF CONSTITUENT RE A PROBLEM WITH HIS 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY WHICH WAS COVERED IN A 2006 "TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN" (TSB) WHICH WAS AVAILABLE TO DEALERS BUT NOT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. *KB THE CONSUMER STATED THE MOTOR MOUNT BROKE AND IT WOULD COST $880 PLUS TO FIX IT. THE CONSUMER STATED HE EXPERIENCED A PROBLEM WITH THE VAN, THE NIGHT HE PURCHASED IT, BUT THOUGHT NOTHING OF IT. NOW, HE HAS SINCE DISCOVERED, IT WAS THE BROKEN MOTOR MOUNT ALL ALONG. *JB

THE VEHICLE ENGINE IS SHUTTING OFF WITH NO WARNING. THERE HAVE BEEN APPROXIMATELY 6 INSTANCES OF THE VEHICLE BEING OPERATED AND THEN THE ENGINE WILL CUT OFF. THE FIRST INCIDENT OCCURRED IN A PARKING LOT WHEN IN REVERSE. THERE HAVE BEEN 3 INCIDENTS AT LOW SPEED, WHILE MAKING TURNS, AND 2 INCIDENTS WHILE TRAVELING AT SPEED (ONE AT 40 MPH AND ONE AT 70 MPH). THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN TAKEN TO THE DEALER ON 3 OCCASIONS BUT THE DEALER HAS BEEN UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO CODES SENT TO THE ON-BOARD COMPUTER. THE MOST RECENT INCIDENT ON 3/6/2011 WAS WHILE TRAVELING AT 70 MPH ON THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY. WE REFERRED THE SERVICE WRITER TO NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBERS 05V132000 AND 07V097000 BUT HE WAS UNWILLING TO CONSIDER THAT OUR ISSUE WAS RELATED TO EITHER OF THESE PREVIOUSLY NOTED FAILURES.

DEAR SAFECAR.GOV: I AM AN OWNER OF A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY VAN. I HAVE EXPERIENCED SUDDEN ENGINE STALLING AND HIGHWAY SPEED DROPPED TO BELOW 15 MPH ON MY VAN SINCE JANUARY, 2010. IT HAS HAPPENED FOUR TIMES. I HAVE WORKED WITH HONDA DEALERS AND HONDA CAR FOR OVER EIGHT MONTHS, FROM JAN 2010 TO AUG 2010 WITHOUT SUCCESS. I THEN WENT TO ANOTHER HONDA DEALER AND FINALLY ABLE TO FIND THE PROBLEM: THE 2005 ODYSSEY VAN IS THE FIRST MODEL AND YEAR HONDA HAS PUT THE NEW V6 ENGINE WITH THREE CYLINDERS SHUTTING OFF DURING CRUISING SPEED TO SAVE GAS, WHICH MAKES SENSE. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CYLINDERS, THE IDLING CYLINDERS BEGIN TO BURN OIL ON THE CYLINDER RINGS. AND THERE IS NO ?LOW OIL? WARNING SENSOR FROM THE CAR, BUT HAS A ?LOW OIL PRESSURE WARNING?. HOWEVER, THE ?LOW OIL PRESSURE? WILL ONLY KICKS ON WITH THE CAR ENGINE STARTS TO STALL. IT WAS VERY DANGEROUS TO HAVE MY VAN STAFF FROM HIGHWAY SPEED TO LESS THEN 15 MPH IN A MATTER OF COUPLE SECONDS. IT HAS HAPPENED FOUR TIMES FROM JANUARY, 2010 TO MAY, 2010. I HAVE ALL THE SERVICE RECORDS AND DESCRIPTIONS. HONDA HAS BEEN DENYING ANY PROBLEM UNTIL THEY LIMITED RELEASE A NEW SOFTWARE IN JANUARY, 2011 TO PERIODICALLY FIRE THE IDLE CYLINDERS TO MINIMIZE TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CYLINDERS SO THAT THEY WILL NOT BURN MOTOR OIL. HOWEVER, HONDA HAS NOT DONE A ?RECALL? ON THIS SAFETY ISSUE (THE ENGINE STALLING AT HIGH SPEED WHEN OIL PRESSURE IS TOO LOW DUE TO MOTOR OIL BURNING). THE DEALER SERVICE MANAGER TOLD ME THAT HONDA IS RELUCTANT TO CONDUCT SUCH SAFETY RECALL, THEY ARE AFRAID THAT WITH FIRING UP THE IDLED CYLINDERS; THEY MAY FAIL THE EPA MILEAGE CLAIMS. ALL THE POST 2005 V6 WITH ?ECON? MODE TO SAVE GAS MODELS WILL HAVE THIS PROBLEMS ONCE THE CARS ARE DRIVEN, LET SAY OVER 70,000 MILES. IT WILL TAKE A FEW YEARS OF MOTOR OIL BURNING BEFORE THE OIL LEVEL IS LOW ENOUGH TO TRIGGER THE LOW OIL PRESSURE SENSOR AND STALLS THE ENGINE. PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE AND FEEL FREE TO CONTACT. *TR

HAD TO REPLACE A FRONT MOTOR MOUNT IN MY 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY. MY MECHANIC INDICATED THAT HE CONTACTED A HONDA DEALER AND THEY WERE OUT OF THE PART BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL ODYSSEY'S WITH THE SAME PROBLEM. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY COMPLAINTS NEEDED TO BE LAUNCHED BEFORE A RECALL NOTICE WOULD BE CONSIDERED. I WANTED MY VEHICLE NOTED SINCE I DID NOT GO TO A HONDA DEALER. *TR

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THERE WAS A NOISE COMING FROM THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE WHILE DRIVING 35 MPH. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER WHO STATED THE REAR MOTOR MOUNT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THERE WERE NO RECALLS OR WARRANTY ON THE VEHICLE. THE MANUFACTURER WAS CONTACTED WHO OFFERED NO ASSISTANCE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 63,000.

WE HAVE A 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY W/LESS THAN 65K MILES ON IT AND JUST HAD TO REPLACE BOTH THE REAR AND SIDE MOTOR MOUNTS. THE REPAIR BILL WAS $1041.65 PLUS THE LABOR TO DIAGNOSE THIS ISSUE BOTH BY LEITH AND BAYLEAF. THE CRACKED REAR MOTOR MOUNT NOTICED BY LEITH HONDA ON CAPITAL RD. IN RALEIGH, NC. THEY QUOTED CLOSE TO $900 FOR JUST THE REAR MOTOR MOUNT REPLACEMENT, AND THEY SAID THAT THE OTHER MOTOR MOUNTS COULD BE BROKEN BUT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE MOTOR OUT TO SEE. WE HAD BAYLEAF TIRE AND AUTO REPAIR IT BECAUSE THEY WERE RECOMMENDED TO US AND THEIR QUOTE WAS LOWER. THEY FOUND THAT THE SIDE MOTOR MOUNT WAS BROKEN AS WELL. CHRIS OF BAYLEAF SAID THAT THEY HAVE HAD ODYSSEYS AROUND THE SAME MODEL YEAR COME IN FOR THE SAME ISSUE AND HAD CALLED HONDA TO TELL THEM ABOUT THE ISSUE. I HAVE SEEN PLENTY OF EVIDENCE ONLINE THAT THIS IS A DESIGN FLAW IN THE MOTOR MOUNTS RELATED TO THE ECO MODE (DROPPING FROM 4 TO 3 CYLINDERS TO SAVE FUEL) BEING INSTITUTED IN THE ODYSSEYS IN THE MID-2000'S WITHOUT A CORRESPONDING CHANGE TO THE DESIGN OF THE MOTOR MOUNTS WHICH COULD NOT HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL VIBRATION. HERE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE MANY OTHERS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SAME ISSUE: HTTP://WWW.GOOGLE.COM/SEARCH?Q=HONDA+ENGINE+MOUNT+DESIGN+FLAW HTTP://GRASSROOTSMOTORSPORTS.COM/FORUM/OFF-TOPIC-DISCUSSION/HONDA-ODYSSEY-ENGINE-MOUNTS/30508/PAGE1/ HTTP://ACTION.PUBLICBROADCASTING.NET/CARTALK/POSTS/LIST/1560611.PAGE OUR CAR MAY HAVE NOT SET ON FIRE LIKE A REAR-ENDED PINTO, BUT THERE IS NO TELLING WHAT ADDITIONAL DAMAGE HAS OCCURRED THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THIS APPARENT DESIGN FLAW. HONDA SHOULD RECALL ALL MOTOR MOUNTS WITH THIS FLAW AND SHOULD COMPENSATE OWNERS FOR REPAIRS RELATED TO THE APPARENT MOTOR MOUNT DESIGN FLAW IN THE ODYSSEY. *TR